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		<title>By: memoriadei</title>
		<link>http://scarecrowchronicles.countrysidemag.com/2009/07/02/the-rural-broadband-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>memoriadei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROFL  I think you truly made your point and I can tell by some of the comments.  Where in the world would anyone get the idea that rural people need subsidies to get broadband!  LOLOL  Exactly proves your point that the elite and progressives think the rural people are some how under privileged and on welfare.  Good grief.  For crying out loud, monasteries out in the middle of nowhere have it.  They pay for it same as anyone else.  And anyone can get internet for $19.95 if they want a less fast one.  I have spent the last 9 years without broadband and so what?  Oh my gosh.  I can&#039;t believe what I am reading!  Reminds me of college when all the gals from Chicago thought there were bears in the woods 60 miles outside of Chicago.  

Rural health care.  Bolonie.  There are urgent care facilities all over in rural areas that anyone can use.  Rural people are rural because they like it there.  City people have NO clue the beauties of living rural and I find that a shame.  Caught up in toys and what you can buy.  And believe me...I have lived in the city and in the rural.  And I have worked for the government and know full well that young people.....under 40...are totally clueless.  Get a life...get out of the city and find out what is real and true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROFL  I think you truly made your point and I can tell by some of the comments.  Where in the world would anyone get the idea that rural people need subsidies to get broadband!  LOLOL  Exactly proves your point that the elite and progressives think the rural people are some how under privileged and on welfare.  Good grief.  For crying out loud, monasteries out in the middle of nowhere have it.  They pay for it same as anyone else.  And anyone can get internet for $19.95 if they want a less fast one.  I have spent the last 9 years without broadband and so what?  Oh my gosh.  I can&#8217;t believe what I am reading!  Reminds me of college when all the gals from Chicago thought there were bears in the woods 60 miles outside of Chicago.  </p>
<p>Rural health care.  Bolonie.  There are urgent care facilities all over in rural areas that anyone can use.  Rural people are rural because they like it there.  City people have NO clue the beauties of living rural and I find that a shame.  Caught up in toys and what you can buy.  And believe me&#8230;I have lived in the city and in the rural.  And I have worked for the government and know full well that young people&#8230;..under 40&#8230;are totally clueless.  Get a life&#8230;get out of the city and find out what is real and true.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GL, 

I don&#039;t live anywhere near the Cities. What on earth gave you that idea? I live on the edge of the Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest in the Northwoods of Wisconsin. (No global warming here. We&#039;re coming off of a seven-month winter.) The closest town has a population of 403. Sorry, but my coverage is just fine here. 

I feel the same about health care as I do about broadband. You get what YOU pay for. 

If you can&#039;t afford health care...there&#039;s always the welfare system. In Wisconsin it&#039;s called Badger Care. And a family of 3 can make up to $40,000 a year and qualify. Health care, like most issues, should be handled at the state level, especially rural health care. I don&#039;t want anyone in D.C. making those kinds of personal decisions for me.

I grew up in what was then West Germany. I am familiar with socialized health care. I&#039;ll take my chances with the private system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GL, </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t live anywhere near the Cities. What on earth gave you that idea? I live on the edge of the Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest in the Northwoods of Wisconsin. (No global warming here. We&#8217;re coming off of a seven-month winter.) The closest town has a population of 403. Sorry, but my coverage is just fine here. </p>
<p>I feel the same about health care as I do about broadband. You get what YOU pay for. </p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t afford health care&#8230;there&#8217;s always the welfare system. In Wisconsin it&#8217;s called Badger Care. And a family of 3 can make up to $40,000 a year and qualify. Health care, like most issues, should be handled at the state level, especially rural health care. I don&#8217;t want anyone in D.C. making those kinds of personal decisions for me.</p>
<p>I grew up in what was then West Germany. I am familiar with socialized health care. I&#8217;ll take my chances with the private system.</p>
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		<title>By: GLRussell</title>
		<link>http://scarecrowchronicles.countrysidemag.com/2009/07/02/the-rural-broadband-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>GLRussell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the problem with your comment.  You are fortunate live close to the Cites and have AT&amp;T 3G Broadband coverage.  Most of rural America does not have this coverage and have to rely on slower ways to access the Internet.

See the facts from AT&amp;T&#039;s comment about their coverage and their tools to check it.

&quot;Cities Supporting AT&amp;T 3G/Mobile Broadband

The AT&amp;T 3G / BroadbandConnect network is currently available in most major metropolitan areas and is expanding rapidly. Click on a major metropolitan area below to view coverage for that area.&quot;

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.jsp

Sure, one can pay more and get a satellite but that view is similar to our national health care.  What we have is good but it is expensive. 

And then there is rural health care.  We have good hospitals but they are more expensive then they should be and are often a long way away from the farm.

Given your apparent attitudes towards the value of government, I would guess that you don&#039;t see any national need to address rural health care either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the problem with your comment.  You are fortunate live close to the Cites and have AT&amp;T 3G Broadband coverage.  Most of rural America does not have this coverage and have to rely on slower ways to access the Internet.</p>
<p>See the facts from AT&amp;T&#8217;s comment about their coverage and their tools to check it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cities Supporting AT&amp;T 3G/Mobile Broadband</p>
<p>The AT&amp;T 3G / BroadbandConnect network is currently available in most major metropolitan areas and is expanding rapidly. Click on a major metropolitan area below to view coverage for that area.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/popUp_3g.jsp</a></p>
<p>Sure, one can pay more and get a satellite but that view is similar to our national health care.  What we have is good but it is expensive. </p>
<p>And then there is rural health care.  We have good hospitals but they are more expensive then they should be and are often a long way away from the farm.</p>
<p>Given your apparent attitudes towards the value of government, I would guess that you don&#8217;t see any national need to address rural health care either.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. The Government building anything is a joke. Besides, rural communities won&#039;t see a penny of the 4 billion. I&#039;ll bet the farm that 4 years from now, people who don&#039;t have broadband today will still be unable to get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. The Government building anything is a joke. Besides, rural communities won&#8217;t see a penny of the 4 billion. I&#8217;ll bet the farm that 4 years from now, people who don&#8217;t have broadband today will still be unable to get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerri</title>
		<link>http://scarecrowchronicles.countrysidemag.com/2009/07/02/the-rural-broadband-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment.

Here&#039;s the problem with the chart. Everyone who wants high-speed access can get it. All they have to do is purchase an AT&amp;T broadband card, or a satellite. Yes, it is expensive. But it is no more expensive for rural people than it is for anyone else. The price is the same. I pay over $100.00 a month for my high-speed DSL, and $79.99 for my AT&amp;T card. The same as everyone else. 

Some people can&#039;t get access because of the terrain. This is true in urban and rural areas. I&#039;ve been in plenty of urban areas where my AT&amp;T card wouldn&#039;t work, nor would my phone, because of highways and other infrastructure issues. Out here in the country, if you live in a valley or in the forest, chances are, you&#039;re not going to get high-speed anything. What would you have the providers do, slash down the trees and blow up the ridges so a few people, who may not even want high-speed Internet can get it?

If people&#039;s jobs require them to have high-speed access, then they should move to where that service is available. Just like we had to move to the Northwoods from River Falls, WI to milk cows. Can&#039;t do that in the city, now can you?

As for the government&#039;s numbers---yeah, right. They don&#039;t even have a definition for &quot;family farm.&quot; To them, we&#039;re all the same as David Letterman (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://rfdamerica.com/node/130&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Letterman to Taxpayers: Thanks for the Money, Suckers&lt;/a&gt;.) I&#039;ll bet he has high-speed. 

I am a farmer, first growing organic vegetables near River Falls, Wisconsin. (Which is ANYTHING but a rural community. It is more accurately a suburb of the Greater Twin Cities Metro Area. That&#039;s why we moved. Too many urban elitists moving to the country and telling us what to do.) The Internet isn&#039;t God. Having it doesn&#039;t make one any smarter than not having it. Don&#039;t worry about us real farmers; if we want something, we know how to go about getting it. We&#039;re a tough lot and pretty smart if I do say so myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the problem with the chart. Everyone who wants high-speed access can get it. All they have to do is purchase an AT&amp;T broadband card, or a satellite. Yes, it is expensive. But it is no more expensive for rural people than it is for anyone else. The price is the same. I pay over $100.00 a month for my high-speed DSL, and $79.99 for my AT&amp;T card. The same as everyone else. </p>
<p>Some people can&#8217;t get access because of the terrain. This is true in urban and rural areas. I&#8217;ve been in plenty of urban areas where my AT&amp;T card wouldn&#8217;t work, nor would my phone, because of highways and other infrastructure issues. Out here in the country, if you live in a valley or in the forest, chances are, you&#8217;re not going to get high-speed anything. What would you have the providers do, slash down the trees and blow up the ridges so a few people, who may not even want high-speed Internet can get it?</p>
<p>If people&#8217;s jobs require them to have high-speed access, then they should move to where that service is available. Just like we had to move to the Northwoods from River Falls, WI to milk cows. Can&#8217;t do that in the city, now can you?</p>
<p>As for the government&#8217;s numbers&#8212;yeah, right. They don&#8217;t even have a definition for &#8220;family farm.&#8221; To them, we&#8217;re all the same as David Letterman (See <a href="http://rfdamerica.com/node/130" rel="nofollow">Letterman to Taxpayers: Thanks for the Money, Suckers</a>.) I&#8217;ll bet he has high-speed. </p>
<p>I am a farmer, first growing organic vegetables near River Falls, Wisconsin. (Which is ANYTHING but a rural community. It is more accurately a suburb of the Greater Twin Cities Metro Area. That&#8217;s why we moved. Too many urban elitists moving to the country and telling us what to do.) The Internet isn&#8217;t God. Having it doesn&#8217;t make one any smarter than not having it. Don&#8217;t worry about us real farmers; if we want something, we know how to go about getting it. We&#8217;re a tough lot and pretty smart if I do say so myself.</p>
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		<title>By: GLRussell</title>
		<link>http://scarecrowchronicles.countrysidemag.com/2009/07/02/the-rural-broadband-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>GLRussell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 14:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it acceptable that only 1/3 of farmers have high-speed access?  I don&#039;t think so.  Access varies widely by where you farm as you can see by this chart from the latest Ag Census in 2007

http://www.nass.usda.gov/research/2007mapgallery/album/Farms/Number/slides/Percent%20of%20Farms%20with%20High-Speed%20Internet%20Access.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it acceptable that only 1/3 of farmers have high-speed access?  I don&#8217;t think so.  Access varies widely by where you farm as you can see by this chart from the latest Ag Census in 2007</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nass.usda.gov/research/2007mapgallery/album/Farms/Number/slides/Percent%20of%20Farms%20with%20High-Speed%20Internet%20Access.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nass.usda.gov/research/2007mapgallery/album/Farms/Number/slides/Percent%20of%20Farms%20with%20High-Speed%20Internet%20Access.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Today&#8217;s Blogmarks &#124; New Trommetter Times</title>
		<link>http://scarecrowchronicles.countrysidemag.com/2009/07/02/the-rural-broadband-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Today&#8217;s Blogmarks &#124; New Trommetter Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Rural Broadband Myth Finally, high-speed Internet is coming to rural America, and to hear the Obama Administration tell it, not a minute too soon. Rural America has fallen into a communication abyss, but don’t worry the Government is here to help, and it’s only going to cost 4 billion dollars. I wouldn&#8217;t want government built broadband., would you?&#160; I mean, look at Amtrak. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Rural Broadband Myth Finally, high-speed Internet is coming to rural America, and to hear the Obama Administration tell it, not a minute too soon. Rural America has fallen into a communication abyss, but don’t worry the Government is here to help, and it’s only going to cost 4 billion dollars. I wouldn&#8217;t want government built broadband., would you?&nbsp; I mean, look at Amtrak. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fgoodwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>fgoodwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeri, I think its pretty obvious that rural broadband isn&#039;t ubiquitous.  Should it be?  I don&#039;t know; there are benefits to rural life not shared by urban Americans (cleaner air, less traffic, etc.).  As I see it, there is a cost for those benefits, part of that cost means by living in rural areas, you forego some of the benefits (and problems) of living in urban areas.

Ultimately, I don&#039;t have a problem with ubiquitous rural broadband.  The question is, how to pay for it.  Do we really need another REA-like program or should we allow the market to decide?  That&#039;s a policy call and being conservative by nature, I have my views on how it should be, but liberals are in power now and its their turn to run the show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeri, I think its pretty obvious that rural broadband isn&#8217;t ubiquitous.  Should it be?  I don&#8217;t know; there are benefits to rural life not shared by urban Americans (cleaner air, less traffic, etc.).  As I see it, there is a cost for those benefits, part of that cost means by living in rural areas, you forego some of the benefits (and problems) of living in urban areas.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I don&#8217;t have a problem with ubiquitous rural broadband.  The question is, how to pay for it.  Do we really need another REA-like program or should we allow the market to decide?  That&#8217;s a policy call and being conservative by nature, I have my views on how it should be, but liberals are in power now and its their turn to run the show.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, you made several faulty arguments:

In your first post, you claim high-speed Internet is the only way to get any &quot;real&quot; work done. I just got in from the barn, where I yank teats, scrape crap, and do some pretty heavy lifting...that&#039;s real work. What you and I do on the Internet is not &quot;real&quot; in any sense of the word. It is, by it&#039;s nature, virtual. Further, your use of the term &quot;real&quot; to define how you work belies an elitist nature.

Why should providers be required to guarantee service where it doesn&#039;t, and as you point out, can&#039;t exist because of the terrain? Why don&#039;t we just blow up the mountains and ridges? It&#039;s cheaper, faster, and would guarantee service. It&#039;s just ridiculous. If your job requires you to have such access, then you need to move to where that access is available. Just like farmers can&#039;t milk in urban areas, some people can&#039;t work in rural areas.

 (BTW, back in the day I was the produce manager at the Whole Foods Coop. If you happen to stop by, tell them I said hello.)

Of course I have a bug in my shorts about the Government....we&#039;re organic farmers (award-winning producers for Organic Valley). We were &quot;green&quot; long before the Gore and Moore Show happened on the scene. We have suffered greatly because of Government policies implemented by urban elitists. 

Like President Eisenhower said: &quot;Farming looks might easy when your plow is a pencil, and you&#039;re a thousand miles from the cornfield.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, you made several faulty arguments:</p>
<p>In your first post, you claim high-speed Internet is the only way to get any &#8220;real&#8221; work done. I just got in from the barn, where I yank teats, scrape crap, and do some pretty heavy lifting&#8230;that&#8217;s real work. What you and I do on the Internet is not &#8220;real&#8221; in any sense of the word. It is, by it&#8217;s nature, virtual. Further, your use of the term &#8220;real&#8221; to define how you work belies an elitist nature.</p>
<p>Why should providers be required to guarantee service where it doesn&#8217;t, and as you point out, can&#8217;t exist because of the terrain? Why don&#8217;t we just blow up the mountains and ridges? It&#8217;s cheaper, faster, and would guarantee service. It&#8217;s just ridiculous. If your job requires you to have such access, then you need to move to where that access is available. Just like farmers can&#8217;t milk in urban areas, some people can&#8217;t work in rural areas.</p>
<p> (BTW, back in the day I was the produce manager at the Whole Foods Coop. If you happen to stop by, tell them I said hello.)</p>
<p>Of course I have a bug in my shorts about the Government&#8230;.we&#8217;re organic farmers (award-winning producers for Organic Valley). We were &#8220;green&#8221; long before the Gore and Moore Show happened on the scene. We have suffered greatly because of Government policies implemented by urban elitists. </p>
<p>Like President Eisenhower said: &#8220;Farming looks might easy when your plow is a pencil, and you&#8217;re a thousand miles from the cornfield.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: liveinthecountry</title>
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		<dc:creator>liveinthecountry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 02:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll have to forgive my typo. I meant to write 30 Kbps for the dial-up. The other rates are accurate.

No, the fact that I&#039;m unhappy with my options is not evidence that everyone else is unhappy as well. I don&#039;t believe I made any such argument. Your claim is that a lack of rural access to broadband is a myth, and I&#039;m telling you you&#039;re wrong. Of course I know there are people who live just east of nowhere who have service I&#039;d die for. That doesn&#039;t mean everybody has it so well.

I also made no mention of the government managing anything. I would support requiring broadband providers to provide access where it doesn&#039;t exist as a condition of being able to serve the places they&#039;ve already cherry-picked. I&#039;d also support offering them subsidies to take the sting out of the added cost. That doesn&#039;t equate to government managing my broadband service.

You seem to have a bug in your shorts about government in general. So be it. Too bad you can&#039;t see the shades of gray between the black and the white. Some things government does well, and some things government does poorly. No Koolaid here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll have to forgive my typo. I meant to write 30 Kbps for the dial-up. The other rates are accurate.</p>
<p>No, the fact that I&#8217;m unhappy with my options is not evidence that everyone else is unhappy as well. I don&#8217;t believe I made any such argument. Your claim is that a lack of rural access to broadband is a myth, and I&#8217;m telling you you&#8217;re wrong. Of course I know there are people who live just east of nowhere who have service I&#8217;d die for. That doesn&#8217;t mean everybody has it so well.</p>
<p>I also made no mention of the government managing anything. I would support requiring broadband providers to provide access where it doesn&#8217;t exist as a condition of being able to serve the places they&#8217;ve already cherry-picked. I&#8217;d also support offering them subsidies to take the sting out of the added cost. That doesn&#8217;t equate to government managing my broadband service.</p>
<p>You seem to have a bug in your shorts about government in general. So be it. Too bad you can&#8217;t see the shades of gray between the black and the white. Some things government does well, and some things government does poorly. No Koolaid here.</p>
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